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Public School

Kat (whoops, forgot to link to her the first time I posted this) posted a pretty good entry about schools and education in general and testing specifically. It's called the FCAT down in Florida, and damned if I can remember what it is up here right at the present time. We disagreed to agree I believe. I think we both pretty much feel the same way about it, but just in slightly different ways.

I've posted about public school and my feelings about it in the past here, here, here, a tiny bit here, here, and here. It's interesting how some of my opinions have changed over the last few years, at least it is to me.

My son spent his entire school "career" up until the 11th grade in private school. My daughter started at 18 months and went until kindergarten, and my youngest spent one year in Montessori. I can't say 100% that I don't regret pulling them out and putting them into public school, but there are some pros and cons to it.

Private school is where it's at for the kids social environment. There's just no other way to put it, but they are worlds apart as far as how the kids act and what is expected of them. In private school they are expected to behave and do so. Why? Because it is expected of them and they know that there are consequences of they don't. It's not quite as simple as all that, but that is the easiest way to explain it. In public school, at least high school, it is also expected of them. And the kids expect that if they break the rules there might be a slap on the wrist (maybe) but no consequences of real value.

Educationally public school is where it's at, but this can vary county by county, state by state. The problem is that you have to deal with all the fucktards to get to it, and miles of bullshit. You have to be dedicated to ass whipping the administrators to let your children get to it. Why? Because such a large portion of the student body are fucking morons and they lower to bar to the least common denominator. I think it really starts in Elementary school where they should be learning the basics that they need in order to get through high school and college successfully. One of the things that Kat brought up had to do with the standardized testing. Elementary kids spend so much time studying and memorizing exactly what is going to be on the TEST that they don't learn things. You know, stupid shit like reading, writing, and arithmetic... Why?

The federal government requires it. I do agree with the fact that there should be some sort of bar, or standard that our kids should meet in order to succeed. I don't agree with forcing everyone to spend so much of their time trying to get the scores on these standardized tests improved so that school systems can get more money. I don't guess there is any easy solution, but it needs to be found. The federal government needs to get out of the business of education and govern. Leave education to educators. Give them the damn money and let them teach.

Let's say that my daughter is in a class with 30 kids and two or three of them are have the potential to end up going to graduate school and brilliant careers. Two or three more of them are dumb as rocks and will end up being burger flippers, and manual laborers. The rest of them will end up like most of us. Working regular old jobs and trying to make ends meet. Not that there is anything wrong with manual labor, some of the jobs pay pretty damn good, more than I make in a lot of cases. Do you think they are going to tailor the class to meet the high performing kids? Hell no, they are going to slow things down so that bill jo bob drooling in the back of the class can make a good score on the CRCT (yeah, that's the name of the damned thing) and get the school system more money to spend on socialist agendas.

Here's some stats for you that I picked up here:

Out of 101 countries, the United States leads the entire world in the average number of years of schooling with 12 years average, however we are number 12 in the duration of compulsory education. The top six require 13 years of education, even though their average is in some cases much less.

We are number two out of 18 countries for tertiary education (college). Canada is in first place with 42% of the population attending college, we have 37%.

We are #96 out of 191 in geographical aptitude, based on the Geography Challenge, which is an online geography test. I've taken it, did OK. I can see that. I would have to say to out of the 28 people that work for me, maybe one of them could find North Korea or Iraq on a globe.

We are #31 out of 209 for the percentage of the population that is literate. That sucks. 99% of the population is literate, which sounds great until you think about how many people that 1% makes up. 49% of adults in the United States are rated as having a low level of literacy. That's not our children, that's us. Adults. Does that mean that 49% of us don't read our kids bedtime stories? How do we expect our children to learn when we can't even read?

I don't know what I expect. When Wife Swap and Desperate Housewives and crap like that are what we spend our entertainment hours enjoying, rather than getting into a good book or god forbid talking. Reality shows and MTV and VH1 have taken over our mentality. Our kids are turning in tests with T9 text all over it because they think it's acceptable and nobody gives enough of a fuck to fix it. It's the teachers fault. It's the administrators fault. It's the parents fault. blah blah blah. Fuck that. It starts AND ends with the parents. All of the other fuckers in between are just filler. Yes, they have a huge effect on the entire process and sometimes you can't avoid letting your children deal with the asshats, but how our children are raised is up to you and I.

When the Federal government gets out of the business of dictating what they can and can't learn, and what tests to take, and what scores they make on them, and how much money they are going to deny poorly performing schools we will see a change, but not until them.

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A link back would have been kick ass Richard. ;)

"It starts AND ends with the parents. All of the other fuckers in between are just filler. Yes, they have a huge effect on the entire process and sometimes you can't avoid letting your children deal with the asshats, but how our children are raised is up to you and I."

I agree with you that parents have a major responsibility in our kids education, but we can't force the schools or counties to change these ridiculous testing policies. We tried it here with a vote and we were over ridden by the county. Because of the money these tests bring in.

If I had the money, if I wasn't a struggling, broke single mother on SSDI, I'd be sending them to private schools so I know they'd be learning more of what I think they should be learning.
Public schools owe more to our kids then to simply pass a test.
They owe them an education.

If youtube hadn't pulled the video, I'd show you a startling video. It was some guy from Australia asking Americans very basic questions about the rest of the world. Like where is Australia, what religion are people from Israel. Simple stuff that you and I probably both know because we were raised in a time when teachers educated.
Our kids are being raised in a time of passing a single test.
It's pitiful.

We parents are the first defense when it comes to our kids but our hands are being tied by the almighty dollar bill in some states.

Looks like I updated about the same time you were posting your comment. I realized almost right away I had forgotten to add the link and put it right in.

I work in a high school grades 9-11th.Parents never cease to amaze me. They don't make their kid do the work and then wonder why Jr. is failing.
Some parents don't even show up for schedualed Individual Education Program meetings that we have to have yearly for their little darlings.
They like to blame every one else instead of taking a good long look in the mirror on why their child will not become a productive member of society.

I teach high school. I emailed a parent a few weeks ago, told her her kid was being a pain, not bringing supplies, talking too much, being rude. Her response? Can he make up the work?
It's parents like that that'll make me quit.

Ya know, you're right. That's why I stay home. I supplement their education and make sure they are well rounded. It's my job as a parent.

My point exactly.

"One of the things that Kat brought up had to do with the standardized testing. Elementary kids spend so much time studying and memorizing exactly what is going to be on the TEST that they don't learn things. You know, stupid shit like reading, writing, and arithmetic... Why?"

How much did you pay for your teachers union card?

I suppose our schools were working just fine before they implimented all these "tests".

You know there is this amazing correlation between being able to pass standardized tests and things like reading, writing, and math... almost like these tests measure the ability to read, write and do math.

p.s. you are "spot on" on everything else, especially on how schools teach to the average.

That's not the point, which means that either I didn't explain it as clearly as I should have, or you didn't read the entire post.

There DO need to be some standards and the testing at least gives them some kind of idea how they are doing. There was standardized testing when I was in school 25 years ago, but it was not the be all end all of the school year, like it is now. They are focusing on taking the test to the point where they are basically giving the answers to some of the kids, instead of actually spending the time to teach them.

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